Extracts from Meeting Minutes 1880 to 1890

by Peter Hall and Colin Gale

 1880 – 1881

This was the first season in which records appear to have been kept, albeit haphazardly, with the campaign further disrupted by the Great Blizzard of January 1881

 

August 1882

Meeting held at the Christopher Hotel. Elected Officers President- Major General Fitzroy Munday, Captain-Mr. H Jacobs, Deputy Captain- Mr. E A McLorg, Hon Treasurer – Mr. T J Gandy, Hon Sec- Mr. E Noke. Committee- Messrs., W A Cooper, E Digby, P Fosbery, H G Fuller*, G Helps, F J Hill, R E Hill, C King, A J Luckham, G H Noke, E Sants, W Sants, and C Williams.

 

26th September 1882Annual General Meeting

 

8th September 1885

In 1885, the Official record of the Annual Meeting was squeezed on to one side of a sheet of paper and half of it was taken up by the full fixture list.

The report states: ‘”The Bath Football Club’s annual meeting was held on the 8th September 1885, at the Christopher Hotel, Mr. A K Cunninghame being in the chair. There were a good number present.”

Then follows the name of the President (Colonel Chandler) and a list of officers. No other business appears to have been transacted, or if it was, it was not deemed to be worthy of record.”

 

25/3/1886

A well attended MEETING OF MEMBERS held at Christopher Hotel 25th March 1886. C Y Petgrave Presided.

The Honorary Secretary outlined a very successful playing season, and the number of subscribers had increased to 64. Nevertheless gate receipts were down, largely due to bad weather. Two players had represented the County. Regrettably, the Club had been unable to fulfil one of the fixtures. The Treasurer, Mr. Gandy, submitted a statement of accounts, and was pleased to report a balance of £1 2s. 0d. He also stated that this was the Club’s most successful season. He was then presented with a salver and framed photograph as a token of the members appreciation of his unfailing zeal and efficiency.

 

At the ANNUAL MEETING held at the ChristopherHotel, the following officers were elected for the coming season:-

Captain                    G C Helps

Deputy                    F Soane

Hon. Secs.               C J Moneypenny and F W Anderson

 

1887 ANNUAL MEETING

held at the Christopher Hotel, the following officers were elected for the coming season:-

Captain G C Helps

Deputy F Soane

Hon. Secs. C J Moneypenny and F W Anderson

Hon. Treas. T J Gandy

Match Committee:-

G C Helps, F Anderson, C Moneypenny, F Soane and S Swabey.

General Committee:-

A Hill, H G Lavis, W Sants, J Stringfield, S Swabey, T N Parham, W Sutton, W A Walker and E W Mitchell.

1st November 1888

At a General meeting held Thursday Nov. 1st at 9 George St. the following were present:- W A Walker, F Soane, F W Anderson, T H Vincent, H Lavis, T N Parham, T G Gandy.

It was decided to write to Cardiff 2nd XV and scratch both our matches with them. Write to the “Maoris” and try to arrange a match with them for Dec. 27th, and to wait till we had their answer before we decided about Boxing Day match.

W A Walker was to write to E W Mitchell Esq. To see if he could get a team for Boxing Day.

Also that the College match for Dec. 1st should, at the request of the College, be arranged for Nov. 15th – Thursday – and the Secretary should do his best to arrange matches for the vacant dates.

That instead of B.F.C. in front of the caps, a substitute in ‘1899-91’ could take place according to the wish of the individual.

To wait until we hear from the New Zealanders before we decide Boxing Day Match.

 

15th November 1888

At a general Committee Meeting, held Thursday Nov. 15th it was decided to play Cardiff, under ‘A Cardiff Team’. Also to play Chedder on Dec. 1st at home, and Jan 5th away if possible. (2nd team level )

 

November 1888

It was announced that Mr. A E H Pinch had been forced to resign his captaincy of the 2nd XV owing to a poor state of health. B C Helps to take up his duties.

 

COMMITTEE MEETING 26/3/1889

W A Walker, F Soane, A L M Swabey, C J B Moneypenny present.

“It was decided not to play the return match with Cardiff because neither Moneypenny nor Pattinson could get away owing to illness. W A Walker also was unable to get away. At the committee meeting on Thursday it was discovered that through a blunder of the Hon. Sec., Cardiff still expected us. It was decided that the Capt. Should write a letter to Cardiff explaining how it was we couldn’t raise a team. On Friday morning the Capt. received a Telegram as follows:

“Received a letter on Thursday morning saying you were coming, on strength of this have put off match with Newport. You must come or will report to the Union, with reply.”

On Friday evening another committee meeting was held at which by a majority of 3 to 1 it was decided to go to Cardiff so as to avoid any unpleasantness.”

 

Half Yearly meeting at Christopher Hotel Tuesday 23rd April 1889.

T I Gandy, Treasurer pleased to report balance of £15 in hand. This was a favourable advance, as the Club had started the season with a deficit of £5. Proceeds from a concert had helped with the funds, and gate money of £8 was reported from one match.

Somerset v Gloucester wanted at Bath, and Soane and Moneypenny to go to Mr Dunn (Headmaster) and try to get use of College field for the match on Dec.21st 1889.

Selection grumbles

It was proposed that some non playing members should be on the match committee: “as it was thought the teams might be chosen more on their merits.” Mr Soane pointed out that no criticism on selection had been received and that subject was irrelevant as the officers were elected at the Autumn meeting, and the matter could be brought up then.

There was a special vote of thanks for the captain, W A Walker, who had done much to enhance the prosperity of the Club.

 

Mr Walter Sants was rugby Treasurer 1868-1882,1899-1901.

 

At the 9th August 1889 General Meeting, with C J B Moneypenny in the Chair.

Distinction badges were awarded to W A Walker, C J B Moneypenny, F S White, T Parham, C B Moneypenny, F Soane, W Alexander, J T Thompson, A Clerk, C W Hayward, and V Soane.

1889 – 1890

Half Yearly meeting at Christopher Hotel July 26th 1889.

C J B Moneypenny stated that he was very sorry to have to resign the secretaryship.

Elected:

President. R S Blaine Esq., Summerhill, Lansdown

Vice President. General Benson, 15 Lansdown Crescent.

Patrons: Lord Weymouth MP, Longleat Warminster,

E R Wodehouse, Minley Grange Farnborough, Hants,

Colonel Laurie C.B. M.P., Mystoke, Canterbury,

Revd. T M Bromley,

General Burn, 19 Lansdown Crescent,

Capt. Lysaght, R.M., The Whins, Sion Hill,

Capt. T P Fitzgerald, Johnstone Street,

A G D Moger, Waines,

E W Mitchell Esq.,Tohmian Club, Piccadilly,

C Hensley, The Circus,

R B Cater Esq., St. Margaret’s Buildings,

W Pratt Esq., Gay’s House, Camden Place,

C W Radway Esq., Grand Pump Room Hotel,

Rev. L Fish, 5 Camden Crescent,

A K Cunninghame Esq.,

The Mayor of Bath.

 

Club Captain – W A Walker

Vice Captain – F Soane

Hon Secs – Dr. Hardyman and E H Pinch,

Hon Treasurer – T I Gandy.

‘A’ Team Captain – J R Dawson (later A D F Ford as Dawson in ill health)

Match Committee – W A Walker, F Soane, T N Parham, H T Vincent, Dr. Hardyman, E H Pinch and G White.

General Committee – W A Walker, F Soane, T N Parham, H T Vincent, Dr. Hardyman, E H Pinch, G White, T I Gandy, I Doveton, W Pattinson, B C Helps, S Horsford, G Bailey, I W Hooper and T Alexander.

 

General Meeting 9/8/1889 at George Street. C J B Moneypenny in the Chair.

The following players received (distinction ) badges:

Backs- W A Walker, C J B Moneypenny, F S White, T N Parham, C B Moneypenny. Forwards- F Soane, V Soane, W Alexander, H T Vincent, I T Thompson *, A Clerk *, C W Hayward. * Left for India after Christmas.

October 5th 1889 the following members played in the County Trial at Bridgwater: D G Astley, T Alexander, C J B Moneypenny, T N Parham, F Soane, H T Vincent,

October 19th C J B Moneypenny played ¾ in Cambridge Varsity Trial.

Oct 19th S Swabey played ¾ for Blackheath.

 

12th December 1889

Our First Tiff!

At a General Committee meeting on the 12th December, Committee was informed that the Bath Captain had written to his opposite number in Bristol: “….asking him whether the report of the match Bath v Bristol which appeared in the Bristol Mercury of Dec 9th and which was possibly incorrect and misleading, had been published with his cognisance and approval, but he had not yet received a reply:- on the motion of Mr. F Soane seconded by Dr. Hardyman it was resolved that “If Mr Brown’s explanation were not perfectly satisfactory, no matches should be arranged with Bristol F. C. for the season 1890-91.”

Actually, it is on record that he did give a satisfactory reply, but just what he said – we might never know!

3 sandwich men to be employed to advertise home matches, instead of one as heretofore.

Resolved that at County matches, not more than six members should be provided with Committee badges to walk between the ropes and touch-lines on either side of the ground in order to keep spectators from pressing the ropes forward was passed “nem con”.

 

1890 – 1891

At AGM on 18th September 1890, W A Walker stood down and handed the captaincy to Frank Soane, with Pattinson coming in as Vice Captain. It was proposed to hold a concert in aid of club funds. Club prospects for the new season looked bright.

 

1891 – 1892

GENERAL MEETING held at the Athenaeum Sept. 18 1891.

The following names added to the Patrons: Captain A K Cunninghame, R M Swett Esq., E Noke Esq, W M Stoffell, J S Turner Esq. JP, A N Treadgold Esq.

COMMITTEE MEETING held at Old Bond Street Sept. 24 1891.

Mr. F Soane in the Chair and Messrs Gilby, Sants, White, Pattinson, Batt and C H Clark.

Match Cards & Members Tickets. : It was decided to have 200 Match Cards and 150 Members Tickets printed, the arrangements for which were left to the Hon. Sec. 17 new members elected. It was decided to subscribe a guinea to the County Association Club. Resolved: “ That in future Members playing in out matches shall pay a shilling each towards expenses.”

JOINT SOCCER AND RUGBY

As previously recorded, there had been a founding meeting of a Bath Association Football Club on 17th July 1889, with many of the officers of the Rugby Club, holding posts in the soccer club set-up.

The Chronicle reports on a joint meeting of Bath Rugby and Association football on Friday 18th September 1891, with Frank Soane in the Chair. Treasurer, Mr. TJ Gandy produced a statement of accounts showing a rugby club deficit of £23 19s 1d, although this was partially offset by later receipt of £6 in subscriptions. There had been a promise to run a social function at the Assembly Rooms, in order to wipe out the debt. If not, he proposed that it would be recognised as a liability for the general club.

“Several thought it would be best to start the alliance with a clean sheet, and the Association men would not bring any debt if that were done.-These remarks gave rise to considerable discussion, during which the CHAIRMAN remarked that really there was no amalgamation. The Rugby club had agreed if sufficient Association players joined it, to play an Association team. He candidly admitted that he never was in favour of the amalgamation, and he did not see the benefit the Bath Football Club would gain by it.- MR CLARK said they wished in the interest of sport that the alliance should be as amicable and thorough as possible, and personally he was willing to join the Bath F.C. regardless of debt (hear hear).- MR PEACOCK mentioned that last year the Association Club had subscriptions amounting to £33 odd.- MR. MELSOME proposed that the debt be placed to a separate account to be wiped off by special efforts, and that the combined Club should start clear. -MR WALKER seconded as he wished to see urgent steps taken to wipe off the deficiency. -MR HOOPER proposed an amendment, that the debts on the two Clubs remain in the general account, and this was seconded by MR PATTINSON, who said he should like to see the Association game continue in Bath and some match played here every Saturday. -The amendment was carried by a considerable majority. -The election of officers was then proceeded with.

Sir R S Blaine was elected president. Mr Frank Soane was again elected captain of the Rugby Club, with Mr Pattinson as deputy-captain. Mr J Peacock was elected captain of the Association team, and Mr F J Butt vice captain. Mt T J Piper and Mr C H Clark were appointed co-secretaries. Mr T J Gandy resigned the office of Hon. Treasurer, which was filled, with the election of Mr White. Messrs G H Noke, W Sants, C H Melsome,

J E Henshaw, J Miller, J Hooper, Gilby, E Rogerson, W A Mackay, V Soane and T J Gandy were elected on the General Committee and Messrs F Soane, Hooper, Rogerson, Gilby and Mackay were appointed as Match Committee for the Rugby game. The meeting closed with a vote of thanks to Mr Gandy for his past services, and a similar compliment to the Chairman”.

The oncoming Fixtures for the 1st and 2nd XV’s and the Association were then released for circulation.

 

A set of CLUB RULES were to follow in 1893.

Most importantly:

1. The Club shall be called the Bath Football Club and shall consist of Honorary and playing members.

2. That both the Rugby and Association Games may be played.

 

GENERAL MEETING held at George Street Jan. 28 1892.

“Mr Walker be thanked for his offer to get up some Theatricals in aid of the Club funds, and that the Hon Sec be requested to write to him to that effect.

1892 – 1893

AGM held at 13 Old Bond Street * (Messrs Soane’s music warehouse*) 19th September 1892.

Sir R S Blaine re-elected President. Lord Weymouth and P V Alexander Vice Presidents. Amongst the patrons were the Mayor ( Mr J S Turner), Colonel Murray M.P. and Mr Wodehouse M.P.; F Soane Captain, Mr W Pattinson Vice Captain.

E C Rogerson. Hon Sec in place of J Townsend Piper. (Piper later returned and took over the reigns)

T N Parham Hon Treasurer in place of G A H White.

General Committee elected: Messrs. H B Mundy, A E H Pinch, J Coles, B H Vincent, G H White and C H Clark

Soccer Demise

The next business was to appoint the Association officers, but as there were now not sufficient Association men in the Club to make a team, it was decided that the appointment of officers should remain in abeyance.

 

Thursday matches be considered as 1st XV matches as regards eligibility for Club Cap. Vote of thanks to Messrs Soane & Sons for use of room for Meeting.

 

A General Committee Meeting was held at George Street on Thursday 6th April 1893.

Resolved that Henrietta Park be taken for the season 1893 at £10 to include Ground and Pavilion.

Proposed that local Challenge Cup be subscribed for, for clubs within 5 miles of Bath. Mr Soane was requested to refer it to Mr. Fox the Hon. Sec. Somerset R F C. The meeting then terminated after it had been settled that the following clubs should be left out of the fixture list viz., Widcombe, Bristol Hornets, Oakfield and Swindon Rangers.

 

COMMITTEE MEETING at 9 George Street 21st April 1893.

Treasurer’s expenses increased by 15/- for sundry expenses incurred. e.g. tips etc.

Resolved: ……that it be printed on the fixture cards that all members wishing to play in any matches must enter their names in the book kept for that purpose at 9 George Street on or before Thursday at 6pm.

Resolved that all members of the 1st XV wear the City Arms on their Jersey and Blazers, any member who has played in not less than six 1st XV matches being eligible to wear the badge, but a written order from Hon Secretary to procure it. Also that a Club Blazer be selected by a Sub Committee.

 

A GENERAL MEETING was held at the Angel Hotel at 8-30 9th May 1893.

Local Challenge Cup – small sub committee to meet minor clubs.

CLUB RULES RECORDED circa 1893

(NOTE RUGBY AND ASSOCIATION GAMES PLAYED)

Rules

1. The Club shall be called the Bath Football Club and shall consist of Honorary and playing members.

2. That both the Rugby and Association Games may be played.

3. That the Association players shall consist entirely of amateurs, and that no paid members shall be allowed to play.

4. That the General Committee shall consist of not more than 20 members and that the Match Committee shall consist of 5 members and that they be elected annually at the General Meeting held in September.

5. The Annual subscription to the Club be not less than 5/-.

6. All Members whether Honorary or Playing who do not send in their resignations in writing to the Hon. Sec. shall be liable for their subscriptions.

7. That all subscriptions become due on the opening day.

8. That two General Meetings be held annually, the first not later than the second week in April to pass the Accounts et., the second not later than the second week in September for the Election of Officers.

9. That the Officers shall consist of the Captain, Vice Captain, Honorary Secretary, and Honorary Treasurer.

10. The Colours of the Club to be Dark Blue and Black in 3 inch horizontal bars.

11. That all members when playing in matches for the Club shall wear the Club Colours.

12. That Members playing in out matches shall pay one shilling towards expenses.

13. That no member be allowed to enter the Football Ground on Match Days without paying, or showing his Members ticket to the Gate-Keeper.

14. That no Member be allowed to wear the Club Cap unless selected to play in not less than 6 matches during one season.

15. That any proposed alteration to these rules must be brought forward at a general meeting and be carried by 2/3 of the members present.

16. The Secretary to receive ten days notice of any proposed alteration or addition and state the same upon the notice convening the meeting. The Members to receive 3 clear days notice of such meeting.

 

1893 – 1894

AGM 15/9/1893

Chairman announced that there had been negotiations with minor clubs regarding the possibility of forming a league in the City. This had not been well received, as if they were playing league games, they would still have the problem of Bath drawing on their better players. Upon re-election as captain, Soane called for serious training and a stronger fixture card. Players needed to practise passing and kicking etc. Re-elected as Vice captain, Pattinson mentioned the advantage of having an international forward to lead them, and he hoped the Club would have soon have an international back. He detected an enthusiasm for the coming season and players were impatient to “get at ‘em.”

The Chairman was pleased that the Club affairs were in order, and there was a balance in hand of £10.

Mr Parham urged every member to recruit three other members. Regrettably, he could not continue as Honorary Treasurer, and in the absence of a ready successor, Mr. Parham and Mr. J W Hooper were nominated to find a replacement.

It was decided that a uniform charge of 3d admission at the gate and 3d extra for the reserved side should be made at all matches with the exception of the Bank Holiday games, and it was agreed that a match for the benefit of the Hospital should be played if possible.

Over 30 new members were elected.

 

GENERAL COMMITTEE convened at 13 Old Bond Street on 6th October 1893.

The Selection Committee was Messrs. H J Davies, C Gilby, J W Hooper, H B Mundy and T N M Parham

General Committee:- Messrs W A Coles, C H Clark, T J Gandy, , C Gilby, J E Henshaw, J W Hooper, H B Mundy, A H Melsome, G H Noke, T N M Parham, A E H Pinch, A Sants, B H Vincent and G A H White.The Honorary Secretary J T Piper and joint Treasures Messrs Horton and Freeman.

 

1894 – 1895

COMMITTEE MEETING 11th September 1894.

Resolved to write to the W.R.U. re the non fulfilment of the Cardiff Harlequins F C to keep their agreement to pay the Club £3 as travelling expenses. Failing any reply to write to the English Rugby Union.

 

ANNUAL GENERAL MEETING at Angel Hotel 14th September 1894.

A F Horton unable to continue as Joint Treasurer. H E H Pinch forced to give up rugby on doctor’s advice.

Captain Forester one of additional Vice Presidents. Mr Freeman elected Treasurer and consented to act single- handed provided the Club would find him a room in a central position where they could meet once a week.

Drill Hall suggested for one night a week training.

 

COMMITTEE MEETING at the Angel Hotel 17th September 1894.

Trial match 22 September.

Use of Riding School one night a week for training.

GENERAL COMMITTEE at Angel Hotel 21st Nov. 1894.

As many players as possible to be insured for the remainder of the season for a sum not exceeding £10 10s.0, the members chosen at the discretion of the Hon Sec and Treasurer.

GENERAL COMMITTEE Angel Hotel 30th May 1895.

Bath Banks XV to rent Henrietta Park 1895-96.(Rent £10.10.0)

Proposed meeting with junior clubs for the purpose of forming a District Rugby Union and that the Bath F C shall only join said Union on the condition of the said Bath F C having power to draw men from junior clubs.

 

AGM 13/6/1895

From the Chair, Frank Soane outlined a successful season, despite disruption through flood, frost and fog.

Mr A J Freeman outlined the financial affairs which were in good order, leaving the Club with a balance in hand of £132 4s 2 1/2d. The season had seen the historic move to new quarters in the Recreation Grounds. He felt sure that the new ground was appreciated by players and spectators alike. He re-stated the Club’s aim in the advancement of Rugby Football, and in order to do so they must continue in their endeavours to popularise the Club.

“How far we have succeeded in doing so is evident by the fact of our having been elected by that champion touring team, the Barbarians, as one of the very few clubs who opposed them during the season (applause). Many of the old players of the Club who recollect the time when they had to pay their own expenses to out matches are somewhat inclined to cry out against so much attention being paid to the convenience of our teams, but they should reflect that whereas they were wont to disport themselves before some 20 spectators our XV, have once this year played before a £70 gate, and I think the present team should receive proportionate respect (hear hear). In conclusion gentlemen, I feel sure that with plenty of money, plenty of patrons, and plenty of merit amongst our players the Bath Football Club will continue that quick march of progress which has characterised its movement in recent years (applause).”

In questions from the floor, there were some quibbles on expenses, but agreed that the expenditure of 1/6d per head for players teas was acceptable.The following new Vice Presidents were elected:- Mr. A G D Moger, Dr. Brabazon, Colonel Perkins, Sir Martin Conway, Mr. J Fuller and Mr. S. Fussell.

 

1895 – 1896

EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE 7/10/1895

Teams playing away from Bath not to exceed 1/- per head, with the exception of Bristol District.

Jersey to be provided to remain the property of the Club and to be returned when requested.

EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE 20/1/1896. Letter of protest from B H Belson and J B S D’Aguilar at lack of training facilities, threatening to call a General Meeting. A Gym in Broad street was a possibility for two nights a week.

Club Run arranged for Thursday January 23rd 1896 starting from the Recreation Ground at 7pm. Players to be carded. Established that Recreation Ground Co. ought to be marking the ground.

GENERAL COMMITTEE at RUH 3rd February 1896.

Counter proposal from Recreation Ground Co., consenting to offer of 1/- per member and the other terms as at present on the understanding that the ground of play may be next season removed to the river side of the grounds. The Directors would still impress upon the Football Committee the great desirability on behalf of both interests the discontinuance of the 3d gate. Bath agreed to move forward with draft Agreement.

EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE 17th February 1896.

Request from Ladies F C for use of Rec. denied.

EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE 2nd March 1896 at R.U.H.

Sec. to write to Mr Berryman at Angel Hotel complaining of insufficient washing accommodation for visiting teams and hope that not less than six baths will be provided in future.

ANNUAL CLUB DINNER held at Fortt’s Restaurant 12th March 1896.

Lord Weymouth presided over a company of 80, including many distinguished guests. Amongst the customary toasts:

“The Navy, Army, and Auxiliary Forces,” and the hope that the Bath Volunteers would soon be in possession of a suitable rifle range.

“Colonel Perkins identified the similarity between soldiers and footballers. Soldiers went into the field prepared for a considerable amount of danger and detriment to themselves, and players for their club or county did the same.”

“Major Clutterbuck, responding for the Volunteers, in a humorous speech, showed of what benefit athletic clubs were to the country in tending to the physical development and improvement of the race.”

Mr.Henshaw was entrusted with the toast ‘Success to the Bath Football Club.’

There was a note of dissension when he mentioned the success of the ‘A’ XV. He referred to them as the nursery of the 1st XV, and faced a loud retort – “It isnt.” He persisted that the ambition of every second team player to strengthen the premier team when called upon to do so. In response, Club captain Soane, took up the same theme. He was pleased for the ‘A’ XV successes, but on a number of occasions the First team travelled short and lost, or at best drew, while the full ‘A’ side remained at home for a win.

He highlighted club weaknesses as lack of training and combination. In 26 matches, they had fielded 24 different three-quarters.

Tribute was paid to Lord Weymouth, and a toast was drunk with three times three, as footballers only can cheer, and then the Captain gallantly called for cheers for Lady Weymouth, and a round was added for “the son and heir.”

The evening concluded with musical talent.

“Songs were given by Messrs Victor Soane, Gould, G Butcher, Best, Seers, Cadogan, T Parham and Clarke, while artistes from the Lyric also contributed to the harmony, Mr Bastow singing, while the trumpeter who was with General Lord Roberts in the Afghan war elicited load applause by his cornet playing, bugle calls, and recitation.”

EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE 16th March 1896 at R.U.H.

MORE STICK!

Hon Sec requested to go over to Bristol and have a personal interview with Mr Compton re the stick taken from the dressing room at Clifton on Feb 8th and that a sub committee consisting of Messrs Florian, Hooper and F J Parham be appointed to enquire into the matter and report back at the next meeting.

ON TEAM SELECTION

“If you can only get 13 men to the station the other two are sure to turn up promiscuous like. They are pretty certain to be on the platform; if they happen to have a pair of legs and a pair of arms and are willing to stand the racket, they are pushed into the saloon door as the train is moving off. The knowing urchins crowding round sing out ‘Play up Bath,’ and in a few hours time the news comes that the cluster of oddments has won or drawn where a regular team would have lost.”

“Perhaps players retiring from the game, who have serviceable bloomers, boots, and stockings should kindly send them to the clothing department of the Bath Football Club. At the next general meeting it is to be proposed that the gentleman kindly acting as touch judge and otherwise looking after the team shall have the privilege of taking to the station a portmanteau containing spare outfits for the emergency men. There is much to recommend this idea. It is easier and less expensive than hunting up attire in a strange place.”

ON REFEREES

“Saturday’s match with Cheltenham was in keeping with antecedents. Everybody expected defeat when they knew the team had gone with only one or two regular forwards. Yet they came precious near to winning, and if the referee had only blown ‘no-side’, when the time was fully expired Bath would have won. But its just Bath’s luck to have a thing like that happen, and we are getting used to the little pleasantries of referees. Without saying hard words do think that there should be a competitive examination for referees, and a test of their eyesight and speed might also be added.”

The Chronicle correspondent wound up his reporting of the season with: “May good luck and health attend all wearers of the blue and black until the time arrives for the crowd to again shout – ‘PLAY UP BATH.”

Management Committee 13/4/1896

Re Carlton R F C (Bristol) – Stick

“The Sub Committee met on Thursdays the 19th and 26th March and after going exhaustively into the matter find that the stick taken by Mr. Bence under the impression that it belonged to a member of the team. No one was using the room and a member of the team (Mr. W T Davis) having a facsimilar stick. The stick was handed to Gooding who had hurt his ankle and who used it to assist him home, and came forward at once with it on hearing enquiries. The delay in finding the stick arose on account of the casual enquiries of the A team Captain, who omitted to ask the team individually. Consequently Gooding only heard of the matter by chance.”

Baths at Angel Hotel.

Mr J W Cooper reported that he had seen Mr Berryman re the Baths for visiting teams to wash in, but could not get a satisfactory answer from him.

Bristol Referees Association to be paid a subscription of 10/6.

 

Management Committee 19/6/1896

Newark Street be given exclusive right to sell programmes, of approved description, on the football ground at not more than 1d each.

Draft Agreement for three years between Club and Recreation Ground Company to be completed.

 

AGM 3/7/1896

The Recreation Ground Company were asking for a payment at 1/- per member under the lease renewal agreement. The Company considered that they should receive some compensation for the number of members admitted free to matches.. The Committee felt that they could not afford this 1/- per head, unless subscriptions were increased. There followed counter-arguments that the increase was not necessary. Mr W J Ford called for better accommodation for their money. He maintained that ladies came early, and blocked the view.

The Committees proposal was to increase subscription from 5/- to 6/-.

Captain Bright proposed an amendment that the subscriptions should stay as they were. His proposal was eventually defeated by 31 votes to 29, and subs would have to be increased.

New patrons: Lord A Thynne, Capt. D G Astley, P K Stothert and S Fussell.

Frank Soane re-elected Captain and D’Aguilar was appointed Deputy Captain.

 

1896 -1897

Management Committee 14/7/1896

Proposed that a 3rd or Extra XV be run.

Proposed that No.4 Bath Street (a room in) to be taken for use of the Hon. Secs and Hon Treasurers.

Proposed retain Angel Hotel as the Headquarters of the Club.

 

Management Committee 17/8/1896

Room at Bath Street at 2/6 per week.

Angel Hotel had consented to being the headquarters of the Club, it being a condition that no private room be provided for playing members changing.

Prices of admission: 1st XV to be 6d. 1/- on the Reserve side.

All ‘A’ Team matches to be charged 3d. Reserve side 6d.

Jersey tender @ 3/11 ½ each.

Proposed Committee to have seats inside the Barrier in front of the enclosure.

Old Merchant Taylors and London Lennox had come off the fixture list, and there was a greater emphasis on South Wales games. Penarth, Llanelly, Neath and Llwynypia would be tough challenges.

The Club was pleased to see the return of MacTier from Florida.

The hard-working, good tempered J B S D’Aguilar would again be deputy captain and would continue to be a great asset in the lines-out. L J Fry, R A Bartlett and A Billett would be again found in the pack.

J W Hooper joined Mr Piper in a joint Secretaryship. Similarly T N Parham had teamed up with Mr W Stockwell as Honorary Treasurers. Mr Stockwell would be concentrating on collection of around 400 membership subscriptions. An extra shilling had been added – the days of threepennny gates had departed. Admission fees would be 6d and 1/-.

“F Soane would again lead the Bath pack, and he is looking exceedingly fit, for with plenty of rowing during the summer he does not rust in close time.” He would obviously be missing F C Belson, , who was also a fine oarsman, being stroke in the same Bath Avon crew.

CHRONICLE REPORTS:

REC MOVE DEFERRRED

“The same site on the Recreation Ground as last year will be used for the game, the idea of transferring football to the riverside of the meadow having been deferred for a year.”

 

A REFEREE’S SOCIETY

“Gentlemen with a thorough knowledge of the Rugby Code, sound in wind and limb, are asked to communicate with the hon. Sec. of Bath F.C., at 4 Bath street, with a view of founding a referee’s association for Bath. This is a step in the right direction, and I hope it will succeed. Who is to be the examiner?”

 

Management Committee 5/10/1896

Letter asking for free admission for postman during the time that football matches were being played. Referred to Recreation Ground Co.

Letters from Mr Farwell and Mr Mundy complaining of the nuisance caused by spectators in Johnston Street, and the Secs. instructed to reply at their discretion.

ANOTHER CHRONICLE ITEM:-

JERSEYS

“Having been asked how it is that never a game passes without a Bath jersey being ripped from top to bottom, I cannot give an explanation. Perhaps it is something to do with the very economical spirit now pervading the Bath management, which probably has caused them to get the clothing by tender. The other week the Extras threatened mutiny unless they had jerseys served out.”

Management Committee 19/10/1896

Hon Sec reported no communication re postman admission, received as yet from Recreation Ground Co. Mr D’Aguilar reported that the postmen were mainly not in favour of it.

Proposal that a new scoreboard be made.

60 new footboards to be purchased @ 9d each.

Bath to second a proposal to admit Swindon R.F.C. to the Rugby Union.

Teas to be provide for all teams coming from 10+ miles.

 

Management Committee 2/11/1896

Executive Committee to do their best to stop the crowd from shouting at the Referee and that the Press be spoken to re the spectators, suggesting quieter tactics.

3pm kick-offs, visiting teams must change on the train.

The ‘Wandering Minstrel’ must be stopped from going on the Reserved side of the ground.

 

Management Committee 16/11/1896

Estimate: Scoreboard 25/-. Presentation Caps 6/3 each.

Recreation Ground Co declined request for Post Office officials’ free admittance to matches.

 

21/11/1896

On this day, F C Belson was playing for Bristol versus Newport, Bristol losing 0-28.

 

Management Committee 7/12/1896

Mr Davis spoke as to the necessity of having a urinal on the reserved side of the ground.

No 1st XV games to be arranged on same dates as County.

Disorderly Crowds-

50 notices to be printed as a result of spectators shouting at home matches

 

Chronicle article February 1928 –

In the nature of an Obituary for Norman Biggs.

“It was about the season 1896-97 that Norman Biggs first played for Bath. I well remember his appearance. He had been talked of as captain of the Bath team and indeed elected, but did not take up his duties, though he was then here, connected with the brewery at Batheaston. Everyone though he had given up the idea of turning out for Bath, when one Friday, Mr.J W Hooper, the then Hon. Secretary to the club, met him, said the side was short, and Norman volunteered to play for Bath the following afternoon. His offer was accepted, and he turned out for the club. It was at Weston-super-Mare. He played right centre with W F Long as his wing, and I remember that Long was badly hurt, in the shoulder. The next Saturday Norman was playing his first Somerset match, on the same ground, against Devon. It was at Weston that he first kicked a Rugby ball, when at Mr. Maclean’s school on the Beach Road. He was a delightful companion, full of fun and anecdote. The only occasion when I saw him really upset about a football result, was returning from Birmingham, where Cardiff had been beaten by Moseley by a dropped goal top a try, or something equally unsatisfactory. Norman and his brother Selwyn came back from Brum in the Bath saloon-Bath had been meeting the Old Edwardians the same day, and he was bemoaning their bad luck all the way. Now he has gone where referees and their peculiarities trouble not. R.I.P.

 

Some of his Best Feats

Norman started playing in first-class matches when a mere stripling. His first game for Cardiff was against Penarth as far back as March 9th 1887, when he scored a try. His best try for his club was against the Maoris in December 1888, when he outpaced Gage, “the flying New Zealander,” and scored a try in the first minute of the match. For his country his best work was done at Raeburn Place, Edinburgh in 1893, when his great speed was utilised to the full, and his play was one of the main factors in securing the first victory of the Principality over Scotland in Scotland, the winning of this match enabling Wales to complete the series of wins that carried with it the possession of “The Triple Crown” for the first time. In that memorable match Biggs stopped Robertson from scoring by cutting across from the far wing and shouldering his man clean over the heaps of straw which surrounded the filed of play, and he himself scored a try after another great run. In 1891-92 he played for Richmond and he assisted Cambridge University while on residence, and helped London Welsh on occasions. The next season, during T W Pearson’s captaincy, he scored 20 tries, and Cardiff at that time had the fastest and most skilful wing three-quarters who ever played for the same club, the next pair being Stegmann and Loubeer for the South Africans.”

 

Management Committee 4/1/1897

Hon Secs requested to have a bottle of best Brandy on the Recreation Ground for use in case of accident or illness.

 

CHRONICLE ARTICLE 28/1/1897

PROFESSIONALISM

The International Rugby Board had been dealing with allegations of professionalism in respect of the W.R.U. and their donation towards Arthur Gould’s Testimonial. After withdrawing £50 of Gift money, there remained a sum of about £700 and it was intended to provide Gould with a furnished Villa. Of general interest, the following resolutions were passed:-

1. That the gift of a testimonial in money or kind in opposition to the suggestion of the Board is, on the part of the givers, or Mr. Gould, an act of professionalism.

2. That the keeping of the fund in hand with the possible intention of presenting a testimonial in opposition to the suggestion of the Board on Mr. Gould’s retirement is also an act of Professionalism.

 

A further resolution on the subject of professionalism was passed by the general Committee of the English Union, which declares: “That negotiation by a player for a professional club with a view of joining same is an act of professionalism.”

 

Management Committee 1/2/1897

Unable to send tickets to Bristol Committee on account of Recreation Ground Co. having sole control over the grandstand.

 

BASED ON CHRONICLE ARTICLE 25/2/1897

WALES BREAK AWAY.

“The International Board having decided they had jurisdiction in the Gould controversy, and having appointed a Sub-Committee to issue a manifesto, the Welsh Union met on Monday and withdrew from the Board. Whether English and Welsh club meetings will be interdicted has not been settled, so Bath v Neath will not be interfered with.”

Divisions had widened, and the R.F.U. had since codified a set of laws against professionalism in any form. Overt animosity between the two playing concepts continued.

Against this background, came the outpouring of gratitude and sentimentality upon the imminent retirement of Welsh Centre, ‘Golden Boy’ and Captain – Arthur Gould.

In 1896 the Welsh Rugby Union donated a house to mark the appreciation of the Welsh Nation.

Much was resolved at the R.F.U. meeting on 15th September 1897, when again, Rowland Hill was to the fore.

Somewhat conveniently, he reasoned that Gould’s act of professionalism was within the Welsh ambit, and had therefore not broken any R.F.U. law. He further observed that Gould’s involvement had the full support of the Welsh R.F.U. authorities.

The big concern was that if Anglo Welsh games were banned, it would have weakened the fixture list, and West of England Clubs in particular, placed great value upon the inclusion of strong Welsh Clubs on their card.

The resolution of the problem was that, in the exceptional circumstances prevailing, Mr Gould should be allowed to play against English clubs.

Sensible – if a trifle convenient

Cardiff’s ground is closed until after March in consequence of Referee Harnett being mobbed after the Newport match.”

 

Management Committee 15/3/1897

Written to Bath & County Harriers and Secretary of Point to Points Race Committee to ask them to get the races over in good time on March 31st as to allow their patrons to attend the Bath v Bristol match.

 

Management Committee 26/4/1897

In future, Police Constables would prefer not being paid by the Club as per past custom. (Pay direct to Police Office)

In future, no compensation would be paid by the Club in the case of any member receiving injury whilst playing for the Club, unless attended in the first instance by the Club Hon. Surgeon.

 

Somerset won the South-Western County Championship, under the leadership of Frank “Buster” Soane.

1897 – 1898

Captain – Frank Soane.

This season is very well documented, but in playing terms, it was not a good or particularly interesting one. There were oft repeated comments on the reluctance to travel to ‘out games’ and there were several instances of first team stalwarts dropping out for flimsy reasons, and again, the unwillingness of some of the junior ranks to step in as replacements.

With the shining exception of Frank Soane, there seemed to be a lack of dedication to the game, and a marked reluctance to engage in decisive tackling in the ‘heavy’ encounters.

With this depression in the Bath club’s playing fortunes, it seemed an appropriate time, to record more of the continuous problems contingent upon the schism between the two rugby philosophies which had come to a head in the ‘Crisis of 1893’, had rumbled on with cancellation of some international competition with Wales, and spawned a hyper-sensitivity to rumours of professional club player approaches, or any infringements of amateur regulations.

Against this background, we will come to the apparently simple proposal to buy, Club Captain Frank Soane – a Wedding Present.

 

Management Committee 21/7/1897

Grosvenor College asked for use of Kensington Meadows.

Free admission to ladies to be discontinued. Members to be supplied with a ladies ticket admitting one lady only, and extra ladies tickets @ 2/6d.

CHRONICLE ARTICLE 9/9/1897

INSURANCE

Details of the Insurance scheme adopted by Somerset R.F.U. were released. The writer felt doubtful whether Bath would participate. “The rule in the local club had been to pay their wages to players who lose their ordinary source of income by injury in matches.”

“A working man naturally would prefer to receive his full pay from the Committee than be entitled to 14s a week from the county fund.”

“Mr. H G Terry has always proved a kindly and obliging medical advisor, and all things considered the Bath Executive are more likely to continue in the old groove than send a list of members with a florin a knob for each to the secretary of the Somerset Union’s fund.”

Taunton were joining, Mr Fox promising to pay half the premium out of his own pocket!

Meanwhile there were rumours and counter rumours on possible defections to the Northern Union.

 

Management Committee 13/9/1897

Ladies to be admitted at half price. Passed 6 votes to 2. Rescinded at next meeting and have to pay full price.

Biggs Brothers

There were reports that one of the Biggs was about to “take unto himself a wife”, and a family residence had already been secured at Bathampton. Their father ran a brewery business near the present Bathampton Toll Bridge. Certainly a ‘resident’ Biggs was good news for the Bath Club, as both Selwyn and Norman seemed to favour various clubs according to whim. Over the years, Bath could never be certain regarding their availability. In January 1898, Norman Biggs played for district club Avonvale, in his build up for Bath and Somerset. Norman Biggs gained eight Welsh caps between 1888 and 1894, and Selwyn nine, from 1895 to 1900.

Another brother, C F Biggs was a budding half at Bath College and there was a still younger brother with football aspirations.

Norman Biggs died in Northern Nigeria in 1908, from a poisoned arrow wound.

20th October 1897 – FOOTBALL TALK, CONTAINED COMMENT ON THE Somerset Trial at Bridgwater: “Belson’s inclusion in the forward rank which has always been regarded as the glory of the county, is a compliment to that player on the first time of asking. Saturday’s game was the only one in which he has participated this season. His size would be calculated to prepossess the Somerset authorities, for they believe in tall, well-built scrimmagers, and there is a lot to be said for their choice. Certainly no one will deny that Belson is worth his place, and as he has started I hope we shall see him in his old place in the Bath team.”

“Twere better by far we had not met” was the sentiment after Bath ‘A’s match with Dursley Stars. “There was no football about the affair, it was a miserable exhibition of incompetence on one side and of bad temper on the other.”

 

Management Committee 1/11/1897

It was decided that the gate by the skating rink be open for egress only subject to the approval of the Recreation Ground Company.

News that Northern Scouts had been tempting Cardiff players with lavish offers. Two forwards, a centre and a wing threequarter – four in all – were offered £200 cash down to divide amongst them, and £2 10s each per week to play for their Northern Club. The players refused and were afforded hero treatment by the Cardiff fans.

Chronicle 20th November 1897 reported on the Somerset v Cornwall match staged on the Recreation Ground. The attendance was in the region of 2000. The County side included Bath’s Jim Long, A E Fry, Norman Biggs, Frank Soane and F C Belson. F C Belson scored Somerset’s first try, Fry got another, and Biggs featured in much of the open play.

Attempts had been made to stage the Somerset v Gloucester match. The last occasion for a Bath staging was as long ago as 1893, when Tommy Parham won the game for Somerset, scoring two tries on the then, Bath College ground.

 

Management Committee 20/12/1897

Agreed that notices relating to unruly crowds be posted about the Recreation Ground.

Agreed that Club pay the bill for £1 1s 0d, in respect of breaking a window of the saloon carriage en route to Bridgwater.

Proposed that a vote of condolence be sent to Lady Letitia Blaine on the loss of her husband, and Club President Sir R S Blaine.

CHRONICLE REPORT 30/12/1897

Arthur Gould donned the jersey again on Monday, when he appeared in Bristol’s quartet against the Old Edwardians, and the famous fickle Newport three-quarter did all the scoring, dropping a goal and obtaining two tries for Bristol. A Bristol paper says: – “Any difficulty with the English Rugby Union was obviated by the despatch of a telegram to the secretary, Mr Rowland Hill, by Mr. Pearce the Bristol Secretary, acquainting him with the fact and no reply was received.” This seems a rather comprehensive statement. A Welsh critic says: – “Undoubtedly, Gould’s active football career is over. He will, doubtless, play in a crock’s match or in a charity match now and again, whilst, if he does feel like an odd game occasionally, I can see no reason why he should not play. To turn out regularly with a team, however, is not Gould’s intention. He has retired, in the year that he was captain of the Welsh team, with his honours thick upon him. We should all be sorry to see him take to the field again; but I say again, there is no reason to be afraid of anything of the kind.”

CHRONICLE COMMENT 6/1/1898

GOULD FEVER

“Many papers are again suffering from a bad attack of Gould fever. Personally, I am heartily sick of the whole controversy. So are most people, and I think the majority of footballers in the West would like to see the Welsh International matches resumed without any more delay.”

WORKING MEN PLAYERS

Chronicle Journalist:

“I have no desire to comment on the latest endeavour of a certain publication to create a cheap sensation at the expense of the Bath Football Club. However, an old and keen supporter of the club sends me the following remarks : ‘Those who are in the habit of journeying with the Bath team to out matches, and of joining in the unrestrained good fellowship which exists on such occasions, well know how utterly unfounded are the aspersions anonymously cast by certain evilly-disposed persons as to the unsociable treatment of the working men players of the Bath Club. Neither Billett nor H G Knight has ever been left out of a selected 1st XV, this season except by their own request. It is certainly very hard on Billett to be subjected to the annoyance of a malicious rumour as to his payment for playing. Everyone who is acquainted with the working of the Bath Club must know how ridiculously false is such a rumour as this. The Match Committee have to select fifteen men to compose the first team, and it is obvious that with some 20 names to chose from, some players must figure on the reserve list. Let those players who are rumoured to be discontented strive to emulate the example of such thorough sportsmen as Puddy, Awdry, S M Knight, and T B Timmins, who will play for the 1st, the ‘A’s, or the Extras, at home or away, as they may be called upon.”

 

13/1/1898

About this time, there were signs that the International difficulties were slowly being resolved. The W.R.U. had met and a date for a meeting with the International Rugby Board fixed.

News that St. John Soane had returned from Assam; “being unable to stand the climate.”

It was reported that D’Aguilar was doing well on the Ceylon tea plantation:

“There is footer on the island and recently in a match at Colombo several old Bath faces were seen.”

21/9/1898

Frank Soane’s Wedding Date

“Well the talk just now is ‘What shall we give Captain, Frank Soane for a wedding present? The happy day has been arranged, and early in April the popular Bath skipper will have the felicity of calling himself a married man. The wedding is to be in the sister city. Heartiest congratulations to both the old International and the future Mrs. Soane on the approaching event. Already steps are being taken to make a presentation which will be truly worthy of the man and the occasion.”

 

5/2/1898

DEADLOCK LIFTED

“Wales having climbed down from the silly objection made at the International Conference by her delegates the deadlock is at an end, and the only question now is whether the English and Welsh match will be played on the 26th., and the North v South meeting arranged at Exeter for that date postponed”

 

Extraordinary Management Committee 10/2/1898

Meeting to consider advisability of giving a Testimonial Dinner and Wedding Present to Mr. Frank Soane upon his proposed retirement and marriage.

Resolved to start a fund provided sanction of the Somerset County Union be obtained.

Dinner at 3/6 per head at Guildhall and Mayor to preside.

 

TESTIMONIALS

Attached to minutes R.F.U. Hon. Secretary Rowland Hill’s letter dated 9/2/1898 : We have delegated to County Committees the power to sanction Testimonials.

The broad principle which must be adhered to-

1. That a player must not receive a monetary Testimonial.

2 That a Subscription must not be given out of Club Funds

Kindly apply to your County Committee. I suggest you ask for the advice of Mr. F H Fox in the matter.

 

Management Committee 21/2/1898

Attention drawn to article in Chronicle and Sportsman with reference to the action of the R.U. as to the wedding present for Mr. Soane. The Executive moved a disapproval of the unauthorised paragraph, which did not fairly state the position of the matter and is likely to prejudice the object in view.

Dinner fixed for 29/3/1898 with Mayor presiding at the Guildhall.

 

Letter from Somerset:

1. That the raising of a present and control of same be in the hands of the Executive Committee of the Bath Rugby F C.

2. That the Bath Executive must obtain the sanction of the County Committee as to the form which the present shall take, and that the County Committee recommends plate.

 

Bath Executive intended to gift a suite of furniture, and duly sanctioned by Somerset Union. (Bought for 50 guineas)

26/2/1898

CHRONICLE ARTICLE

No vote from club funds and no money gift appear to be the restriction upon the Soane wedding present, but as neither of these was ever contemplated it is a matter for wonder why the County Committee went through the performance of laying the proposal before the Rugby Union. The half-crown contributions are not limited to members of the Club, and I hope they will roll in quickly and plentifully. His Worship has agreed to preside at a dinner at the Guildhall on Tuesday, March 29th, when the presentation will be made.

Management Committee 14/3/1898

O Edwards to appear before County Committee at Bridgwater, having been sent off the field Bath A v Bristol United Services 5/3/1898. (Suspended for two weeks)

FRANK SOANE’S PRESENTATION DINNER

TUESDAY 29TH MARCH 1898

 

Barbarians v West of England at Bristol 7th April 1898. Bath’s G G Vincent played for Barbarians.

Won by a West XV 14-0, The West of England team was drawn from Newport, Clifton, Bath and Gloucester. It included Bristol’s first international J. Wallace Jarman. Bath’s F Soane, and J Purcell were prominent and F Derrick scored a try after a fine piece of combined play.

 

21st April 1898 marked the wedding of Bath’s popular captain, Frank Soane to Miss Marion Ellen Macmillan at St Werbergh’s Church, Bristol. His brother, Victor was best man. It was a very private affair and only immediate relations were invited.

 

1898 – 1899

Management Committee 30/6/1898

Captain Forester to be asked to accept the post of President, and F Derrick to be Captain.

AGM 15/7/1898

 

1899 – 1900

 

 

 

 

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